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		<title>By: Favorite Posts/Links for July 16-20 &#171; The Transfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Favorite Posts/Links for July 16-20 &#171; The Transfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just a Couple of Random Kooks- Cord Silverstein at Marketing Hipster shares a touchy experience with what seems to be a pretty closed-minded client. Check the comments too. And if you have time, read his post, Sprint - Please Help Me Understand….. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just a Couple of Random Kooks- Cord Silverstein at Marketing Hipster shares a touchy experience with what seems to be a pretty closed-minded client. Check the comments too. And if you have time, read his post, Sprint &#8211; Please Help Me Understand….. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow what a dinosaur! Unfortunately large traditional corporations are crawling with people like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow what a dinosaur! Unfortunately large traditional corporations are crawling with people like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Schultz</title>
		<link>http://www.marketinghipster.com/2007/07/17/just-a-couple-of-random-kooks/comment-page-1/#comment-21260</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Schultz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, this has less to do with a personal interaction you had with him and more to do with his motivations for being defensive. 

Maybe he didn&#039;t want your company involved in the first place. Maybe he was just having a bad day. Perhaps there was just a cute girl in the room he was trying to impress. (Perhaps you were the cute one)

No matter what you would or could have said, this fella wasn&#039;t having it from moment one. He was lost as soon as someone told him to come to a meeting he didn&#039;t want to go to to discuss a topic he didn&#039;t realize he needed to care about.

In these cases, there is nothing you can do publicly to remedy the situation when it happens. There is also nothing you can do in the next meeting to prepare/mitigate his possible defensive stance.

Clearly he will win any public battle. A quote I always like to remember when faced with stupidity is, &quot;Never argue with an idiot, people around you may not be able to distinguish the difference&quot;

Your only move is to launch a preemptive attack. Have the battle on your turf, on your terms. Get him on the horn and run some initial stats and ideas by him to begin the conversation that you plan to have in the meeting. Let him know how important his opinion is and that you want to assure him that it is your job to make him look good.

Try to get him talking, build rapport, get buddy buddy. At the very least, you will get to know him well enough to prepare some counter strikes for meeting 2 and level the playing field.

Let us know how it works out. I vote for a call or two before the next meeting. Pretty low risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, this has less to do with a personal interaction you had with him and more to do with his motivations for being defensive. </p>
<p>Maybe he didn&#8217;t want your company involved in the first place. Maybe he was just having a bad day. Perhaps there was just a cute girl in the room he was trying to impress. (Perhaps you were the cute one)</p>
<p>No matter what you would or could have said, this fella wasn&#8217;t having it from moment one. He was lost as soon as someone told him to come to a meeting he didn&#8217;t want to go to to discuss a topic he didn&#8217;t realize he needed to care about.</p>
<p>In these cases, there is nothing you can do publicly to remedy the situation when it happens. There is also nothing you can do in the next meeting to prepare/mitigate his possible defensive stance.</p>
<p>Clearly he will win any public battle. A quote I always like to remember when faced with stupidity is, &#8220;Never argue with an idiot, people around you may not be able to distinguish the difference&#8221;</p>
<p>Your only move is to launch a preemptive attack. Have the battle on your turf, on your terms. Get him on the horn and run some initial stats and ideas by him to begin the conversation that you plan to have in the meeting. Let him know how important his opinion is and that you want to assure him that it is your job to make him look good.</p>
<p>Try to get him talking, build rapport, get buddy buddy. At the very least, you will get to know him well enough to prepare some counter strikes for meeting 2 and level the playing field.</p>
<p>Let us know how it works out. I vote for a call or two before the next meeting. Pretty low risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it always surprises me to hear how quickly a company is willing to write off something someone says simply because it&#039;s online or on a &#039;forum&#039;.

Two thoughts come to mind with this:

1) Does he write off eBays buyer/seller rating system? Certainly every person who uses eBay and gives any sort of positive or negative review must be kooky just like these guys on the forum, right?

2) The importance for them to join the conversation is absolutely phenomenal. Now, I have no idea who your client is or what dealing with them is like. But what about a hypothetical situation. It may not work because they may simply not care. But what if someone used their product and didn&#039;t like it. This person is a rather active individual, so they wrote a page about what they didn&#039;t like, why, and how it might be able to be fixed. After they wrote this page, they mailed it to the company directly. What would the company do with that mail? Would they scrap it? If so, I would wonder what hope they have for joining the conversation online, as they&#039;re not evening in it offline.

A tough situation. I look forward to hearing about the results!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it always surprises me to hear how quickly a company is willing to write off something someone says simply because it&#8217;s online or on a &#8216;forum&#8217;.</p>
<p>Two thoughts come to mind with this:</p>
<p>1) Does he write off eBays buyer/seller rating system? Certainly every person who uses eBay and gives any sort of positive or negative review must be kooky just like these guys on the forum, right?</p>
<p>2) The importance for them to join the conversation is absolutely phenomenal. Now, I have no idea who your client is or what dealing with them is like. But what about a hypothetical situation. It may not work because they may simply not care. But what if someone used their product and didn&#8217;t like it. This person is a rather active individual, so they wrote a page about what they didn&#8217;t like, why, and how it might be able to be fixed. After they wrote this page, they mailed it to the company directly. What would the company do with that mail? Would they scrap it? If so, I would wonder what hope they have for joining the conversation online, as they&#8217;re not evening in it offline.</p>
<p>A tough situation. I look forward to hearing about the results!</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn McMaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn McMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cord, just trying to change and adjust a bit with you. :-) 

The big boys need to see benefits, but in this case I sense it almost might have to be an &quot;aha&quot; moment from them and the trick is to go in with a strategy to make that come about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cord, just trying to change and adjust a bit with you. <img src='http://www.marketinghipster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>The big boys need to see benefits, but in this case I sense it almost might have to be an &#8220;aha&#8221; moment from them and the trick is to go in with a strategy to make that come about.</p>
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		<title>By: Cord Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cord Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 

I absolutely agree with you.  I think we are going int he same direction.  I think my emphasis is that I really want my clients to start realizing how important it is to get involved with the conversations that are happening online.  

Thanks for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, </p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you.  I think we are going int he same direction.  I think my emphasis is that I really want my clients to start realizing how important it is to get involved with the conversations that are happening online.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cord, 

I don&#039;t disagree with anything you&#039;ve said in terms of a client need to listen, learn and communicate with a client. 

And maybe I didn&#039;t express myself clearly before, I think where we&#039;re disconnecting is that as I read this, it sounds like you presented this as a challenge to overcome and a crisis to be managed because people are making negative comments. And if you use that kind of language, you&#039;re naturally going to put people on the defensive.

I might have tried to position it as a tool that&#039;s not being utilized and an opportunity for growth. And if you could show some folks out there making positive comments, then those could serve as examples of how the client themselves could actively use this tool. 

In the end, I think we both see the same end goal (a client that actively engages and interacts with it&#039;s customers to learn), we&#039;re just taking different routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cord, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with anything you&#8217;ve said in terms of a client need to listen, learn and communicate with a client. </p>
<p>And maybe I didn&#8217;t express myself clearly before, I think where we&#8217;re disconnecting is that as I read this, it sounds like you presented this as a challenge to overcome and a crisis to be managed because people are making negative comments. And if you use that kind of language, you&#8217;re naturally going to put people on the defensive.</p>
<p>I might have tried to position it as a tool that&#8217;s not being utilized and an opportunity for growth. And if you could show some folks out there making positive comments, then those could serve as examples of how the client themselves could actively use this tool. </p>
<p>In the end, I think we both see the same end goal (a client that actively engages and interacts with it&#8217;s customers to learn), we&#8217;re just taking different routes.</p>
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		<title>By: Cord Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cord Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - I like the bananas idea, I might use that as a last ditch effort.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; I like the bananas idea, I might use that as a last ditch effort.  <img src='http://www.marketinghipster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cord Silverstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cord Silverstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul - I appreciate your comment, but I have to disagree with you.  The issue here is that this company is not involved with conversations that are taking place right now on the web about them.  Whether good or bad, they are not involved.  They are not listening, they are not learning and they are even taking their rightful place at the table.  

I don&#039;t agree that they need to support anyone.  They should not need to have someone else fight their battles or stand up for them.  They should be leading this charge and learning and reacting based on what they hear and read.  

My thoughts.  As always, thank you for yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &#8211; I appreciate your comment, but I have to disagree with you.  The issue here is that this company is not involved with conversations that are taking place right now on the web about them.  Whether good or bad, they are not involved.  They are not listening, they are not learning and they are even taking their rightful place at the table.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that they need to support anyone.  They should not need to have someone else fight their battles or stand up for them.  They should be leading this charge and learning and reacting based on what they hear and read.  </p>
<p>My thoughts.  As always, thank you for yours.</p>
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		<title>By: alex goad</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex goad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good approach might have been to agree with him and ask him what he tought *was* important.

Once disarmed, you could probably bring him to be more open to your suggestions.

That or bring bananas to the next meeting and kindly offer him one once he&#039;s done thumping his chest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good approach might have been to agree with him and ask him what he tought *was* important.</p>
<p>Once disarmed, you could probably bring him to be more open to your suggestions.</p>
<p>That or bring bananas to the next meeting and kindly offer him one once he&#8217;s done thumping his chest.</p>
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